Returning for Liverpool Biennial 2025, our podcast series 'Art Against the World' allows you dig deeper into the themes of our 13th edition 'BEDROCK'.
12 artists in this event
Presented by Vid Simoniti and with contributions from LB2025 curator Marie-Anne McQuay, the six episodes unpick the central idea of this year’s exhibition: Bedrock. In an often polarised and fragmented world, what remains our bedrock? What are the things that ground us? We speak to artists and thinkers to uncover different answers: from a shared family, history, or culture, to a critique of the economic and political realities that undergird our everyday experiences.
You can listen to the episodes in order, or by scanning the QR codes next to the artworks exhibited around the city. Each episode features two LB2025 artists, and puts them in conversation with a thinker, performer or writer.
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Episode 1: Chosen Families

Amber Akaunu, Untitled, 2023. Iniva ‘Can publications be porous’ group show. Photo by Emile Holba.

Alice Rekab, Isatu An Ee Cat, 2021. Courtesy of the Artist.
How do families inspire artists today? Artist Alice Rekab draws on their Irish and Sierra Leonian ancestry to recover a sense of belonging. Film-maker Amber Akaunu explores single parenting in her film about ‘other mothers’: women who help single mums raise their children. Actor, writer and activist Felix Mufti describes how intergenerational queer communities shape chosen families in Liverpool. We also explore how this year’s exhibition responds to the historical origin of the Bluecoat gallery, which began life as a charity school for orphaned children.
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Episode 2: The Historical and the Personal

Dawit L. Petros, The Open Boat, 2024. 3D Print. Courtesy of the Artist and Tiwani Contemporary, London. Photography by Dawit L. Petros

Jennifer Tee, Still Shifting, Mother Field, Secession, Vienna, AT, 2022. Co-produced with Kunstinstituut Melly, 2023. Photography by Oliver Ottenschläger.
Our histories can unite us, but they can also haunt us. The artists we talk to respond to ghosts of the past by interweaving historical narratives with reflection on their personal lives. Dawit L Petros investigates the archives of the empire to track down an unlikely 19th century adventure up the River Nile. Jennifer Tee recovers nearly forgotten Indonesian textile crafts, which inspire her life-affirming collages made of tulip petals. Michelle Peterkin-Walker, a Liverpool-based videographer, shares her archive of Liverpool’s African diasporic culture.
Episode 3: Layers of the City

Elizabeth Price, THE WOOLWORTHS CHOIR OF 1979, Installation view. Photography by Michael Pollard

Cevdet Erek, Bergama Stereo, 2019. Hambuger Bahnhof Museum fur Gegenwart, Berlin, Germany. Courtesy of the artist. Photography by Matthias Volzke.
Cities are continuously built over, and so their histories begin disappearing. We discuss how attention to architecture uncovers lost social memory. Vid takes a walk around Liverpool with writer Jeff Young, whose book Ghost Town conjures memories latent in the city’s buildings. Turner-prize winner Elizabeth Price relates how Catholic modernist churches reflect the social history of the Irish diaspora. Artist Cevdet Erek channels memory of football stadiums into his audio-sculptural installations, revealing political struggles past and present.
Episode 4: Materials That Make Us

Linda Lamignan, Oghonowe Abede, 2023 and Di, 2023. Petroleum wax with pigment on wooden panel. 200 x 140 cm. Photo by Jacky Jaan-Yuan Kuo.

Odur Ronald, Fena (all of us), 2024. Courtesy Darlyne Komukama.
Cobalt is in our phones, 50% of packaged goods contain palm oil and microplastics have been detected in human placentas. Globally traded materials are, for better or for worse, the everyday bedrock of our society. Artist Linda Lamignan explores their dual heritage from two oil economies, Norway and Nigeria, and explains how animism can inform a different understanding of natural resources. Artist Odur Ronald makes use of aluminium in his sculptures, highlighting parallel routes of global migration and extraction of resources from Africa today. Art historian Stephanie O’Rourke explains the complex relationship artists have always had to the materials traded through global networks since the age of industrialization.
Episode 5: The Oldest Chinatown

Karen Tam 譚嘉文, Scent of Thunderbolts, 2024. Courtesy of the artist and Toronto Biennial of Art. Photography by Toni Hafkenscheid

ChihChung Chang, Port of Fata Morgana (video installation partial), 2020. Courtesy of the artist. Photography by ChihChung Chang
Liverpool has the oldest Chinatown in Europe, dating back to the 1830s. We explore how the concept of Chinatowns around the world has changed and how it remains a cultural bedrock for the communities that inhabit it. Artist Karen Tam takes us into the domestic spaces above Chinatown restaurants through an installation that evokes Cantonese opera playing in her grandmother’s bedroom. Artist ChihChung Chang recalls growing up in the Taiwanese port of Kaohsiung and examines the complexity of Chinese identity abroad. Liverpool-based musician and community organiser Zi Lan Liao explains the significance of preserving music across generations, while researcher Emily Beswick highlights how this bustling city quarter was constructed across various waves of migration.
Episode 6: The Soil and the Rock

DARCH (Umulkhayr Mohamed and Radha Patel), Grief Rage Ritual Film, 2024. Film Still. Courtesy of artists.

Petros Moris, Ghost (ALONE) V, 2024. Courtesy the artist and TAVROS space. Photography by Stathis Mamalakis
In the final episode we dig deeper into the literal, terrestrial bedrock of Liverpool: the inspiration for this year’s theme of the Liverpool Biennial exhibition. Artist collective DARCH share how their work unearths an optimistic view of the underworld, uniting life and mortality through their sacred soil rituals. Artist Petros Moris creates artworks that evoke layers of archaeological time in his Greek hometown. Geologist Anjana Khatwa explains where the city’s beautiful red sandstone comes from and how it connects us to the deep history of our planet.
The Liverpool Biennial “Art Against the World” podcast is scripted and hosted by Vid Simoniti. It is a University of Liverpool / Liverpool Biennial co-production. Sound design is by Luke Thomas and the podcast producer is Martha Murphy.
Vid Simoniti is a Senior Lecturer in Philosophy at the University of Liverpool. He writes on the relationship between contemporary art and politcs, and is the author of Artists Remake the World: A Contemporary Art Manifesto.
Host & Contributors
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Host
Vid Simonti
The Liverpool Biennial “Art Against the World” podcast is scripted and hosted by Vid Simoniti. It is a University of Liverpool / Liverpool Biennial co-production. Sound design is by Luke Thomas and the podcast producer is Martha Murphy.
Vid Simoniti is a Senior Lecturer in Philosophy at the University of Liverpool. He writes on the relationship between contemporary art and politcs, and is the author of Artists Remake the World: A Contemporary Art Manifesto.
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Episode 1 Contributor
Felix Mufti
Felix Mufti is a multi-disciplinary performer, artist, activist, wrtier and an all-round chaos causer from Liverpool. As a writer, he won praise for his ACE-funded debut How to Kill a Rose. His acting credits include Sex Education (Netflix); When All Is Said (Fuel) and Transpose: Joy (Barbican).
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Episode 2 Contributor
Michelle Peterkin-Walker
Michelle Peterkin-Walker is a socially engaged artist, archivist, videographer and activist. She founded Sojourner Productions and Akoma Arts, producing films and digital works inspired by African history. Her 2016 exhibition Pieces of Gold explored global Pan-Africanism through digital art.
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Episode 3 Contributor
Jeff Young
Jeff Young is a writer for theatre, radio, and screen, with credits including EastEnders and Casualty. His books include Ghost Town: A Liverpool Shadowplay, a journey through a vanishing Liverpool, and Wild Twin, a memoir of hitch-hiking through 1970s Europe
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Episode 4 Contributor
Stephanie O’Rourke
Stephanie O’Rourke is a historian of European art and Senior Lecturer at the University of St Andrews. Her latest book, Picturing Landscape in an Age of Extraction (Chicago, 2025), examines art’s role in the colonial extraction of resources.
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Episode 5 Contributor
Emily Beswick
Emily Beswick is a PhD student at the University of Liverpool and Tate Liverpool, trustee at Kakilang and member of the Liverpool East and South East Asian Network. Her research investigates photographs of the Chinese and ESEA communities in Liverpool.
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Episode 5 Contributor
Zi Lan Liao
Zi Lan Liao is a celebrated musician and cultural leader, blending Chinese and Western traditions. A guzheng virtuoso and concert harpist, she directs Pagoda Arts, champions youth music, and advocates for community wellbeing, having earned international recognition for her cross-cultural work.
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Episode 6 Contributor
Anjana Khatwa
Anjana Khatwa is an award-winning earth scientist, TV presenter, and advocate for diversity in the geographical, geoscience and nature conservation sectors. Her latest book is The Whispers of Rock: Stories from the Earth, which relates how rocks have been shaped over the eons, but also how they have shaped us